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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just gets wierder...and hopefully this will be my last comment on the matter.

Maybe the &#039;pure&#039; libertarians should defect to the &#039;guns and dope party&#039; and burning man party, (&#039;Members of the Guns and Dope Party regularly host a theme camp at Nevada&#039;s yearly counter-culture rich Burning Man festival.&#039;) 

Robert anton wilson who envisiond the party was a member of the &#039;church of subgenius&#039; a &#039;religious group that satirizes religion, conspiracy theory, UFOs and popular culture&#039; 
Maybe it could be &#039;The guns, dope and ufo party&#039; ridiculing iself and presenting &#039;strawman&#039; (burningman) arguements that are easily refuted.

Does Starchild like ufos? Presumably judging by his name, he does. He&#039;d be the perfect leader, and you never know, maybe these conspiracies may be true, and he really would be a star.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just gets wierder&#8230;and hopefully this will be my last comment on the matter.</p>
<p>Maybe the &#8216;pure&#8217; libertarians should defect to the &#8216;guns and dope party&#8217; and burning man party, (&#8217;Members of the Guns and Dope Party regularly host a theme camp at Nevada&#8217;s yearly counter-culture rich Burning Man festival.&#8217;) </p>
<p>Robert anton wilson who envisiond the party was a member of the &#8216;church of subgenius&#8217; a &#8216;religious group that satirizes religion, conspiracy theory, UFOs and popular culture&#8217;<br />
Maybe it could be &#8216;The guns, dope and ufo party&#8217; ridiculing iself and presenting &#8217;strawman&#8217; (burningman) arguements that are easily refuted.</p>
<p>Does Starchild like ufos? Presumably judging by his name, he does. He&#8217;d be the perfect leader, and you never know, maybe these conspiracies may be true, and he really would be a star.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing funny about it, anyway, good luck to him, in his career as &#039;spoiler&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing funny about it, anyway, good luck to him, in his career as &#8217;spoiler&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: guy</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you mention that part of Barr&#039;s past.  I attended the convention in the company of a mid-west girl who dabbled in Wicca (she calls herself an EpiscaPagan).  

She shrugged it off.  Everyone comes with baggage.  The real question is how much and does the luggage hold any thing in the process of rotting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you mention that part of Barr&#8217;s past.  I attended the convention in the company of a mid-west girl who dabbled in Wicca (she calls herself an EpiscaPagan).  </p>
<p>She shrugged it off.  Everyone comes with baggage.  The real question is how much and does the luggage hold any thing in the process of rotting.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Barr got the witches worked up - 

&#039;The US Military attempts to train &quot;moral soldiers,&quot; he said, &quot;and we have always been a country that recognizes that moral foundation as coming from God--not from a tree, not from a blade of grass, not from the sun, but from God. If people want to go out on their own and worship trees or grass or the sun, they can do that. But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate for our military to say we won&#039;t draw any lines or set any standards about what people can do with military sanction.&quot;

&#039;Witches say Barr&#039;s position is a threat to their civil rights. &quot;His demands are not only outrageous, they are unconstitutional,&quot;

http://www.witchvox.com/military/bobbarr.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Barr got the witches worked up &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8216;The US Military attempts to train &#8220;moral soldiers,&#8221; he said, &#8220;and we have always been a country that recognizes that moral foundation as coming from God&#8211;not from a tree, not from a blade of grass, not from the sun, but from God. If people want to go out on their own and worship trees or grass or the sun, they can do that. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s appropriate for our military to say we won&#8217;t draw any lines or set any standards about what people can do with military sanction.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Witches say Barr&#8217;s position is a threat to their civil rights. &#8220;His demands are not only outrageous, they are unconstitutional,&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.witchvox.com/military/bobbarr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.witchvox.com/military/bobbarr.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see there is a  &#039;Guns and Dope Party&#039; -

 &#039;a &#039;United States political party envisioned by cult author and libertarian Robert Anton Wilson. While the party has proposals that can be considered generally libertarian in its principles, it presents these positions in a facetious manner, and advocates extremely absurd things, for example replacing one third of Congress with ostriches. This is consistent with Robert Anton Wilson&#039;s and chaotic Discordianism&#039;s tradition of advocating freedom through parody and surrealism.&#039;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_and_Dope_Party

Shame bob&#039;s dead now.

He also wrote Celine&#039;s laws -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine%27s_laws</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see there is a  &#8216;Guns and Dope Party&#8217; -</p>
<p> &#8216;a &#8216;United States political party envisioned by cult author and libertarian Robert Anton Wilson. While the party has proposals that can be considered generally libertarian in its principles, it presents these positions in a facetious manner, and advocates extremely absurd things, for example replacing one third of Congress with ostriches. This is consistent with Robert Anton Wilson&#8217;s and chaotic Discordianism&#8217;s tradition of advocating freedom through parody and surrealism.&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_and_Dope_Party" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_and_Dope_Party</a></p>
<p>Shame bob&#8217;s dead now.</p>
<p>He also wrote Celine&#8217;s laws -<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine%27s_laws" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine%27s_laws</a></p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 08:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite fascinating the way Bar seems to have completely changed his mind about so many things. I think it is natural for people to do this, without needing to feel shame.

He says “Tell them my conversion is sincere.”

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/27/kubby-urges-support-for-barrroot-ticket/#more-3008

(But is he sincere..maybe he is a spy or kind of &#039;sock puppet&#039;, and this is a plot hatched up by the republicans...or maybe I&#039;ve just been reading too many conspiracy theories..)
 I trust no-one.

Also interesting that &#039;In Congress, he also controversially proposed that the Pentagon ban the practice of Wicca in the military.&#039; 
Seems bizarre, I wonder what he thinks of Wicca now..personally I think that everyone should be doing it.

Also interestingly -
&#039;Barr hosts a political talk radio show on Radio America called Bob Barr&#039;s Laws of the Universe, ... His first &quot;law of the Universe&quot; is that &quot;the world is full of idiots&quot;, and he features an &quot;Idiot of the Week&quot; on his show, along with a top ten of &quot;Idiots of the Year&quot; selected from the Idiots of the Week.&#039;

Reminds me of someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite fascinating the way Bar seems to have completely changed his mind about so many things. I think it is natural for people to do this, without needing to feel shame.</p>
<p>He says “Tell them my conversion is sincere.”</p>
<p><a href="http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/27/kubby-urges-support-for-barrroot-ticket/#more-3008" rel="nofollow">http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/27/kubby-urges-support-for-barrroot-ticket/#more-3008</a></p>
<p>(But is he sincere..maybe he is a spy or kind of &#8217;sock puppet&#8217;, and this is a plot hatched up by the republicans&#8230;or maybe I&#8217;ve just been reading too many conspiracy theories..)<br />
 I trust no-one.</p>
<p>Also interesting that &#8216;In Congress, he also controversially proposed that the Pentagon ban the practice of Wicca in the military.&#8217;<br />
Seems bizarre, I wonder what he thinks of Wicca now..personally I think that everyone should be doing it.</p>
<p>Also interestingly -<br />
&#8216;Barr hosts a political talk radio show on Radio America called Bob Barr&#8217;s Laws of the Universe, &#8230; His first &#8220;law of the Universe&#8221; is that &#8220;the world is full of idiots&#8221;, and he features an &#8220;Idiot of the Week&#8221; on his show, along with a top ten of &#8220;Idiots of the Year&#8221; selected from the Idiots of the Week.&#8217;</p>
<p>Reminds me of someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness&#039;

So if marijuana makes one happy, one should have the liberty to smoke it - yes?

I still don&#039;t understand the objection to it, especially since there has been no connection found between it and cancer. - 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html?referrer=digg

Is the fear that people will become less productive if they smoke it? But do we really need to waste our time energy and resources making things we don&#039;t need?
Is it because of mental health worries? But there are also mental health worries in connection with meds and antidepressants etc, yet they are still used liberally.

Daniel Pinchbeck refers to entheogens as &#039;medicines&#039; as do indigenous people. To deny sick people these medicines is itself sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness&#8217;</p>
<p>So if marijuana makes one happy, one should have the liberty to smoke it &#8211; yes?</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand the objection to it, especially since there has been no connection found between it and cancer. &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html?referrer=digg" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html?referrer=digg</a></p>
<p>Is the fear that people will become less productive if they smoke it? But do we really need to waste our time energy and resources making things we don&#8217;t need?<br />
Is it because of mental health worries? But there are also mental health worries in connection with meds and antidepressants etc, yet they are still used liberally.</p>
<p>Daniel Pinchbeck refers to entheogens as &#8216;medicines&#8217; as do indigenous people. To deny sick people these medicines is itself sick.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what you mean by &#039;90% candidate&#039; anyway, someone said that trying to get libertarians to agree was like trying to herd cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what you mean by &#8216;90% candidate&#8217; anyway, someone said that trying to get libertarians to agree was like trying to herd cats.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now it&#039;s my bad spelling, I meant the &#039;subgenius&#039; bob dobbs. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

http://www.subgenius.com/

&#039;If organized religion is the opium of the masses, then disorganized religion smokes the marijuana of the lunatic fringe.&#039; — The introduction to the Principia Discordia

My favourite bob dobbs quote - &#039;F*** em if they can&#039;t take a joke.&#039; ... (or a toke?)

He&#039;s almost as funny as you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it&#8217;s my bad spelling, I meant the &#8217;subgenius&#8217; bob dobbs. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.subgenius.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.subgenius.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8216;If organized religion is the opium of the masses, then disorganized religion smokes the marijuana of the lunatic fringe.&#8217; — The introduction to the Principia Discordia</p>
<p>My favourite bob dobbs quote &#8211; &#8216;F*** em if they can&#8217;t take a joke.&#8217; &#8230; (or a toke?)</p>
<p>He&#8217;s almost as funny as you.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/05/25/bob-barr-and-the-libertarians/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;There is no quicker way to clear a room,
no better method to destroy the party or, “change the subject”,
no surer method to cultivate the very deepest and longest-lasting enmity
amongst family and neighbors alike,
than to speak the truth.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;There is no quicker way to clear a room,<br />
no better method to destroy the party or, “change the subject”,<br />
no surer method to cultivate the very deepest and longest-lasting enmity<br />
amongst family and neighbors alike,<br />
than to speak the truth.&#8217;</p>
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